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June 30, 2014
Cloudera has talked up four major IT companies behind an initiative to link two open source
projects together for the good of the Hadoop community.
The newly proposed partnership between IBM, Intel, DataBricks, MapR and Cloudera to port
Apache Hive onto Apache Spark is due to be announced sometime this week at the Spark Summit
in San Francisco.
We even heard a few rumors of that last week after stumbling across a proposal by Cloudera
to lift Hive on Spark.
For those not familiar with the long list of codenames in the Hadoop world, Spark is a general-purpose
cluster computing system originally developed at the University of California, Berkeley and based on
the Hadoop File System.
It can be used as an alternative data processor to Hadoop MapReduce and is said to be
about 100 times faster than MapReduce when running in memory or ten times faster when running on
While all of this is happening, Hive is data warehouse software that uses a SQL-like language
to query data stored in Hadoop.
Both projects are important, with Spark seen by many as a potential successor to MapReduce
and Hive viewed as a likely candidate for accomplishing SQL-on-Hadoop work.
By lifting Hive up on Spark, Cloudera is hoping to force some consolidation in the Hadoop ecosystem,
and in doing so is placing less emphasis on one of Cloudera's own projects: Impala.
Justin Erickson, Cloudera's director of product management, said the company has decided
to push Hive because it wants to "go and combine the forces of the Spark community with the
Hive community to make batch processing in Hadoop faster."
"Overall, Hive is the standard choice for doing batch processing jobs on Hadoop right now,"
said Matt Brandwein, the company's head of product marketing.
"We want to cut the fragmentation in the community. People are getting a bit aware of the
fact there are so many options for so many different objects. Spark is the successor," he added.
The move has big ramifications for the Hadoop ecosystem and for Cloudera itself. In the recent
past, Cloudera has been skeptical of the value of Hive.
In a blog post late last year, Mike Olson, the company's chief strategy officer wrote-- "Decades of experience had taught people
to expect real-time responses from their databases. Hive, built on MapReduce, simply couldn't deliver, and
that was an issue for us."
To address the perceived shortcomings of Hive, Cloudera built its own software, Impala, but with the
new partnership between Cloudera, IBM, MapR, Databricks and Intel, it seems like Cloudera has
warmed up somehow to Hive and will use the technology as its main way of dealing with the wider
Hadoop community, while still continuing to develop Impala as a way to generate some revenue.
Another little complication in this story is that there already is a Hive-on-Spark
project called Shark. But Cloudera feels that Shark has diverged too much from the mainstream
"To be sure, Shark took an approach of replacing several key components of Hive, including
the query planner and other elements of Hive," Cloudera said.
The result of this was that maintaining compatibility with Hive became very difficult as changes
to Hive can not be transparently back-ported to Shark.
With the Hive-on-Spark approach, we are making a much more limited change to only the physical query planner, which means that the Hive
community can make changes and add new functionality to Hive and have this transparently work with either
Spark or MapReduce or Tez.
As such, the maintenance burden will be much lower for Hive on Spark and will be more deeply
integrated with the core Hive community.
Speaking of Tez, Cloudera's move also puts pressure on Hortonworks, which helped develop
the competing data-processing framework.
But Cloudera says Spark, like Tez, is merely an option. As the company explains in a FAQ document,
"It is not a goal for the Spark execution backend to replace Tez or MapReduce. It is healthy
for the Hive project for multiple backends to coexist. Users have a choice whether to use Tez,
Spark or MapReduce. Each has different strengths depending on the use case. And the success of Hive
does not completely depend on the success of either Tez or Spark."
When contacted for comment, Hortonworks said the decision to pour development resources into
Hive on Spark is broadly a good thing.
"It's an admission that the open source community driven model is the right one," said Shaun Connolly,
the company's vice president of strategy.
With this new initiative, Cloudera can develop a better understanding of the future direction
of the software and more carefully hone its business to reap the benefits of its growing user base.
In other IT news
Research scientists at MIT say they have cleverly built a new 36-core processor that uses an
internal networking system to get maximum data throughput from all the processing cores.
Unveiled at the International Symposium on Computer Architecture, the original chip design
gets around some of the issues with multicore processors, namely bus sharing between cores, and
maintaining cache coherence, among other things.
To be sure, most conventional designs use a single bus to connect various cores, meaning
that when two cores communicate together, they typically use the entire bus and leave other
The MIT design borrows from the internet's concept and allows all chips to share data with
their neighbors using their own router.
"Typically, you can reach your neighbors really quickly," said Bhavya Daya, an MIT graduate
student in electrical engineering and computer science, and the first author on the new paper.
"You can also have multiple paths to your destination. So if you're going way across, rather
than having one congested path, you could have multiple ones," he added.
The network is also used to distribute various data between each core's cache without having
to shift it too far, potentially speeding up the system even further.
"Their contribution is an interesting one-- They're saying, 'Let's get rid of a lot of the complexity
that's already in existing networks. That will create more avenues for communication, and our clever
communication protocol will sort out all the details'," said Todd Austin, a professor of electrical
engineering and computer science at the University of Michigan.
"It's a simpler approach but a much faster approach at the same time. It's a really clever idea
of doing things."
The blueprints for the new chip design aren't being released as of yet, since the team first
wants to develop an operating system capable of using it to its full advantage.
The team is now adapting a version of Linux to use the new chip before releasing the designs.
In other IT news
The president of the Open Data Centre Alliance (ODCA) has given what some would call smart
advice to CIOs contemplating how they migrate their legacy platforms into the cloud-- forget
it and just dump your old code!
However, Correy Voo, whose job is the infrastructure CTO at UBS, added this was likely a temporary
dilemma as the coming wave of technology bosses, who’ve grown up with theoretically unlimited
resources at their fingertips, will not even contemplate such a move.
“Don't try to lift a legacy platform and make it a cloud process. There are some things that
just will not fit a cloud environment,” Voo told an audience at the Cloud World Forum event in London
An application developed to deal with the constraints of the 80s and 90s, or even earlier, would never
take full advantage of the new platform, he argued.
Banks and other financial institutions, many of which are members of the ODCA, will have
stacks of such apps languishing on mainframes or other aging platforms.
“I’m not saying it’s impossible. It’s certainly possible if you want to throw a lot of time
and effort at it. But if I want to buy something brand new like a $3,000 TV I don’t want to play
low definition material on it."
“In my view, the users in some ways are being cheated because they don’t get the full capability
of that investment.” He cited mobility as one example of this mismatch.
The discussion about whether to migrate applications designed to cope with the hardware and
infrastructure constraints of the 80s and 90s has a parallel in the differing attitudes towards
infrastructure between younger and old tech pros.
“That discussion is coming to a head in some respects,” Voo added. “Volume wise we’re now at
the stage where there’s sufficient volume of new people in the industry who think differently
to the old people.”
“It’ll be very fractious early on and there’ll be a lightbulb moment where everybody will realise
that’s probably the right way of doing it.”
“When it becomes easy to consume cloud technology without any of the complication, any of the
cost implications, when that happens it’s a no-brainer-- you simply move on to the next issue.”
As for what that problem that is? Voo said it will be about how we manage and access data.
“Just because we have the ability to use a piece of data, doesn’t necessarily mean we should
ethically, so I think the IT industry and business in general have a number of questions to resolve
in relation to data growth the type of data that’s out there.”
Source: Cloudera Inc.
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